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 Post subject: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:01 pm 
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No gasoline or diesel in the UK starting in 2040; that should be enough lead time for manufacturers.

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/26/539576171/u-k-bans-gas-and-diesel-cars-starting-2040-electric-cars-are-the-future?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:12 pm 
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Guess we'll see if it comes to pass. Wouldn't it just be easier & more "eco-friendly" to pass a law that says people are required to flap their arms & fly to where they want to go?


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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:47 am 
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I support the move, with the caveat that electric cars are only as clean as the means by which the electricity was generated. Burn oil or coal to generate the electricity? Its just more efficient to burn it in the car engine, I should think. Solar/wind/tidal/hydro-electric? Yep.
Those of us who live in the land of 'No Gas for 300 km' signs are less optimistic about its applicability here.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:51 am 
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I remember some stretches in Nevada like that. Especially on naked motorcycles, lower speeds increase available mileage. My 500 has a 4.5 gallon fuel tank. Using 4 gallons and 69 mpg, it has an effective range of about 276 miles. When the electric bikes can do that at 55 mph, I will start to be interested.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:02 am 
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wheezeburnt wrote:
I support the move, with the caveat that electric cars are only as clean as the means by which the electricity was generated. Burn oil or coal to generate the electricity? Its just more efficient to burn it in the car engine, I should think. Solar/wind/tidal/hydro-electric? Yep.
Those of us who live in the land of 'No Gas for 300 km' signs are less optimistic about its applicability here.


You left out nukes Brent.. They will be the base load generators of the future. To the extent that electrics use regenerative brakes, (reclaim energy now lost to heat in conventional braking) electric has the potential to be quite fuel efficient. However, widespread use of electric cars will require a lot more Nuclear plants as well as all the other green sources of power mentioned. The other issue that will rear its ugly head will be the need to beef up the transmission lines and substations. (read more of them) This could become a problem in the country that can no longer build a pipeline because of opposition from indigenous people, local politicians and Prius drivers.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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I support the_idea_, but I think the mandate is going to either be changed/postponed/forgotten, or turn the entire nation into 2039's single biggest dumpster fire. :/

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:31 pm 
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Jim: Yes, I DID forget about nuclear power. Huh. Not sure how that happened.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:50 pm 
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I'm not confident that we will get the battery issues resolved to support a worldwide fleet of electric cars. Prototypes and small numbers yes, but I'm not sure about massive numbers.
The raw materials and resources required, along with the recycling, disposal, and pollution of the waste batteries on a large scale may be a much bigger problem than the technology.


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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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Electric cars, bikes, etc. will be mandatory in densely urban areas far quicker than in the boondocks. There will not be a problem of it being too far between recharging points, and most of them will be recharged nightly at the owners home.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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It will take longer than people think, and there will be problems we haven't thought about yet. That's my prediction on electric self-driving cars.

I won't be around to see the end of gas driven cars and bikes, and that's probably a good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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Anyone know much about these 'quick charge' sites? How quick is 'quick'?

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:24 am 
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The baby says that they are about 20 minutes. He needs one stop coming down from Flagstaff, but two stops going back home because of the climb back to 7000 feet. They drive a Tesla X.

He, his wife, and their two kids (1 and 4) just left. His inservice stuff at Northern Arizona University starts tomorrow, so they came down to see my mom a week before her birthday. She will be 106 next Friday.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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Hey, thanks, John. I thought it was less than an hour, but wasn't sure. Wow! Mom's going for 106! Last time I checked, she'd just turned 105. With those genes, you'll be the one to shut down the forum some day. Don't leave the lights on, and lock the door.

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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Unfortunately, my dad died of heart disease at 77, and I'm 75 and have a heart murmur. We just take one day at a time and enjoy them. :)

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 Post subject: Re: UK going electric in 2040
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Well, I'm rooting for you, pal. And wish your mom a happy birthday from a Canuck.

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