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 Post subject: Re: a little 2 stroke oil in the fuel
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:35 pm 
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Unlike with seafoam, 2 stroke oil doesn't seem to give a performance hit.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:41 pm 
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Meelee: Forget the oil AND the gas! Your bike seems to run on irony! rofl
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:30 pm 
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I doubt if John and Richard would have much use for a chainsaw out there in the desert.


Cholla removal. :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:30 am 
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I doubt if John and Richard would have much use for a chainsaw out there in the desert.


You'd be surprised, I have an Aleppo Pine that is creeping up on 40' tall. I need to lop off at least ten feet off the top...

M neighbor across the street had a pair of 30' Cedar trees removed about six years ago, I paid the cutters to fill a garbage can with the chips from their shredder and have been using them with my charcoal grill. I regret not buying a second can. ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:03 am 
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I actually found on amazon some pennzoil 2 stroke oil for marine outboard motors, for $20 a gal. That's about 1/3rd the price of the $3 6.4 oz 2 bottles.
If it works just as well, (which might, or might not), I could be lowering additives to $0.25 a tank.

Already purchased it, and will compare the results to weedeater 2 stroke oil, see if it makes any difference.

To our nature lovers, if the idea of white smoke coming out of the exhaust, and fouled plugs pops in mind when you think about 2 stroke engines, know that in most cases this happens due to a too high oil ratio in the fuel (eg: running at 16:1 or so).
The optimal valusles for most 2 stroke engines are between 32:1 and 50:1.
Too low oil to fuel ratio, and the engine runs dry, and could cease. Not a problem with 4 strokes who can run without oil, however that doesn't mean that they can't run better with a tiny bit of it in the fuel.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:45 am 
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Those of us who rode 2-smokes on the street normally carried a small (8 or 16 ounce) bottle of oil with volumetric markings on the side in a tank or tail bag when travelling. Refills were from quart bottles of the 2-stroke oil. Life was simple riding a Hodaka Ace.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:04 am 
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...and, based on my experience with a '66 Suzuki 150 twin, a handful of clean spark plugs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:26 am 
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The early Suzuki's were good at fouling plugs, but, things did get better. My X6 scrambler (250 cc twin) had oil injection and rarely fouled a plug.

However, at ~25K miles, one of the injectors became plugged and I seized the engine. That was my first and last Suzuki.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:01 pm 
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You had an x6 Scrambler? Neat. A buddy of mine had an x6 Hustler (same bike, different pipes, from what I saw) and that thing was very fast for its day. Just shy of 30hp, if I recall correctly, and he was a light little fellow (weren't we all back then), and did an indicated 110 mph on that thing, so I'm guessing it likely was about 100 mph. I wouldn't even consider it today on that chassis and on those tires (not to mention those "brakes").
But yeah, those early smoker twins didn't have much in the way of longevity, did they? I will say, though, that my 150 engine got reincarnated after I crashed it, and was used in what turned out to be one very fast go-cart.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:34 pm 
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MeeLee wrote:
Unlike with seafoam, 2 stroke oil doesn't seem to give a performance hit.


Completely untrue.

SeaFoam doubles the horsepower bonuses you get with traditional "turbo" labeling. If a turbo sticker yields ten ponies, SF will give you 20.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:36 pm 
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I had a 500 Kawasaki 3 cylinder smoker. That was an evil motorcycle with terrible handling and brakes. I put 27,000 miles on it and only partially seized it once on an ill advised midnight ride from the old home town to Fredericton.
A quick overbore to replace the partly melted pistons and it was nicer than new.
In its favor , I'm pretty sure it was the very first production motorcycle with Electronic ignition. It never fouled its surface gap spark plugs, and there were no breaker points to mess with. When maximum speed was called for, it could lay down an impenetrable screen of blue smoke behind it that would leave your buddies choking for breath.

I was happy to replace it with the Norton 850 though, altogether a much nicer machine.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:25 pm 
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wheezeburnt wrote:
...and, based on my experience with a '66 Suzuki 150 twin, a handful of clean spark plugs.


Oh man....

how many memories I have of sitting beside the road, tending a tiny fire of leaves and scruff, waiting for the mess in my plugs to finish burning out so I could re-install them, get to town, and buy a half-dozen more....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:01 am 
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Hah! Hey, speaking of memories and smokers, remember when every garage had a spark plug sand blaster machine? Now THEY were handy!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:45 pm 
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As a matter of fact, I _do_ remember that!

Over the years I had totally forgotten about the little things....

Remember when you could get drums and rotors turned _anywhere_? Or a radiator brazed at just about any place with a roll-up door?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:39 pm 
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Drums turned....rotors turned.....that's just crazy talk! rofl rofl rofl rofl

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:28 pm 
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I confess, it seems a bit unnecessary. I mean, they turned all the way to the shop, right? :lol:

Though I do remember a conversation with an acquaintance some years ago--

he had just had a brake job done (which I had earlier offered to help him do himself for considerable savings) and was balking at the expense. He listed "new drums and rotors" as part of the expense (which I found odd, as the truck in question wasn't very old at all, and I knew the previous owner had been meticulous with everything not related to appearance).

I asked as to why he hadn't simply had the old ones turned.

"Oh, I asked about that, like you suggested when we talked about it, but they told me--"

And this is the part that killed me--

"-- that they have found that turning them removes some of the metal, and removing metal from something that thick runs counter to common safety sense" or something to that tune of nonsense....

Astounding.

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 Post subject: Re: a little 2 stroke oil in the fuel
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:35 am 
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Hmmmm. Maybe by 'something 'that thick' they meant 'something of that thickness'? Only thing that sort of makes sense, although that whole 'modern rotors are too thin to be turned even once' seems a tad suspect to me, given how slight of a warp puts them out of spec. And the current refusal to turn drums is just ludicrous. its just too danged easy to throw stuff out and sell you new stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:42 am 
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It dates back to the decades-old philosophy of selling the entire expensive component instead of the single cheap part that is needed. This is simply the next phase in devolution.

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I always dump the last of my two stroke mixture in my truck's tank when retiring the weedwhacker for the winter. I did that on a nearly empty tank, and my truck barely strted. Fortunately, I had some SeaFoam on hand....

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 Post subject: Re: a little 2 stroke oil in the fuel
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:04 am 
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Frigitator: Out of curiosity, did you then run the weedwhacker dry? I gave up on 2 stroke weedwhackers (got a 4 stroke) because they were so finicky about storage for 7 months. Always managed to get it going each spring, but it seemed a nuisance. I tried storing with full tank and stabilizer, running dry, and the full-blown negligent technique, so I'd love to hear your experience.
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