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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:57 pm 
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fastpakr wrote:
You don't need the load resistors. What you need to do is swap your existing flasher relay for an electronic one like this:
http://www.amazon.com/3-Pin-CF-13-Elect ... B008C9YJ6C



Yeah I looked at the load resistor and saw they use 50w each.. ha like really I am trying to reduce the watts not increase it..lol
I did get the new flasher from Honda today and they had the 13-308 - SINGLE INDICATOR LED SPLITTER from Show Chrome in stock so picked that up too.

http://bigbikeparts.com/templates/produ ... 308Gallery[pp_gal]/0/
install instructions
http://bigbikeparts.com/catalog/documen ... 13-308.pdf

instructions show to splice in a "Y" wire with a diode on it to one side of the indicator light wire and the other side goes to ground. picture shows it better. see now I only get the indicator light to flash on one side not both. They say this will help with the fast flash issue.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:32 pm 
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I have no idea why you want the splitter. Have you butchered up your factory wiring, or are you just changing bulbs? The factory wiring already contains a two-legged one-way circuit for the indicator. That's why there's only one indicator light.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:36 pm 
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Almost forgot:

The electronic flasher relay will solver your fast flashing issue. The turn signal indicator has nothing at all to do with pulse rate. I think someone has tried very hard to sell you a bill of goods.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:19 pm 
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Duke wrote:
Almost forgot:

The electronic flasher relay will solver your fast flashing issue. The turn signal indicator has nothing at all to do with pulse rate. I think someone has tried very hard to sell you a bill of goods.


I bought it to see if I need it or not I can return it, if the electronic flasher fixes everything great. The issue right now with the indicator I swapped out to led and only flashes on one side not the other. Maybe the e flasher will fix this too.. not just fast flash. but right now I don't have that issue yet. they just don't flash at all With led put in. I try the flasher first and see if not then I was out the splice wire..

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:11 pm 
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You have absolutely no use for the splice wire.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:54 pm 
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ok gang got the 2 prong electronic flasher that needs the end cut off and add spades for connection.
so red goes to black or grey wire on bike?

From other posts
with 3 prong setup is:
Flashers don't have a ground terminal. The prongs should be marked X, L, and P.
X is + power in.
L is + power out to the switch.
P is + power out to a dash indicator.

so with that info I an guessing the
Black is power > connect to red
Grey is to the switch > connect to the blue wire

Does this sound right?


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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:13 pm 
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Facepalm.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:30 pm 
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fastpakr wrote:
Facepalm.

Well that is what Honda sold me..

I hooked it up as stated above and worked on regulaer flash but the indicator light now is not working.

So how can get it to work? See would be nice to have full list of parts and how to so there is not this buy and guess crap...

should it be the 3 pin flasher? why would they sell the electronic flasher that does not work correctly with the led...
you say I don't need the splicer hookup which I did not do yet.

ugggg..

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:34 pm 
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Take it back to Honda.

The piece you have will not solve your problem. Hopefully you haven't started hacking up your wiring harness.

Find and locate the flasher unit on your bike. There are something along the lines of 50-plus threads here on where it's located, how to swap it, and what type of flasher to use. There are at least two threads on how to relocate it to a much more convenient location for later access.

There is even an index of electrical-related threads under the Thoroughly Dead Horses section.

Go to an auto parts store. Tell them you need (or just walk down the aisle and pick it up) an electronic flasher. It _must_ be electronic and not mechanical. There are only two types in existence: a three-wire and a two-wire. You want a two wire.

Install it on your bike where the old one came off. It doesn't really matter which wire goes to which terminal. It is a direct plug-and-play swap; there is no wiring, no cutting, no splicing.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:42 pm 
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My apologies; I forgot to address this:

67fastback wrote:
why would they sell the electronic flasher that does not work correctly with the led.


Because Honda is not a parts store per se.

Honda is where you go when you want stock, OEM parts to replace identical parts on your motorcycle. They have hundreds and hundreds of catalogues with thousands and thousands of pages of original part numbers to replace the original parts on your motorcycle.

You don't _want_ original parts for what you are doing, because you are _modifying_, i.e., changing it from the original. There is nothing in any catalogue that will help you with that.

Further, the Honda parts guys aren't going to have a lot of experience with what _will_ work on your modified system because, since people don't go to the OEM parts source for modifications, the Honda guys don't deal with it to often.

The short version is "they guessed."

Like most guesses, it was wrong.

The part you want is not a Honda part, and therefore can't be had from Honda. It's that simple.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:40 pm 
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I read almost all the threads and they said to get 3 prong I did and seem it does not work. and yes it is electronic. I even tried to add extra wire up the to he indicator light wires. I have not cut the wires.. I am against doing that. I will continue to try and get the right flasher.

it is because I put a led in the indicator light in mix and causing it to not work.. all I read does not say they swap that out.
Flasher I got is EP34 Novita electronic flasher but not working.. try again

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:44 pm 
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How many prongs are on the flasher you removed? If it's 2,them you need a two prong adapter.

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
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67fastback wrote:
I read almost all the threads and they said to get 3 prong


Thread here? I'm asking because I can't recall anyone here claiming they had a 3-prong flasher. I've owned ten or so Rebels since 85 and they were all 2 prong; all the ones I can remember people on the board asking about were two prong.

Neither here nor there; I just want to be able to fix any bad information on our site.

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I have not cut the wires.. I am against doing that. I will continue to try and get the right flasher.


Excellent! It's staggering how many mistakes become nightmares because someone started performing surgery in their harness without a good bit of education on the subject first.

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it is because I put a led in the indicator light in mix and causing it to not work


Correct. I suspect it's draw related; that is, you are no longer pulling enough to properly operate the factory flasher. But as you did not have this issue prior to the swap (or at least, have made no mention of it), and seem to have not done anything to the existing wiring, I'm willing to bet that the correct flasher will cure this problem.

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all I read does not say they swap that out.


You are correct again; I don't think anyone has ever swapped their indicators for LEDs long-term. I tried it on the Valk a couple of years back, but it was just too painful and distracting at night. I put the incandescents back in.

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Flasher I got is EP34 Novita electronic flasher but not working.. try again


I believe that the EP34 is a three-prong flasher. That is likely why it doesn't work.

Though, just so we're all clear and we're all certain that you do or do not have a typical Rebel, how many wires are mounted to your current factory-installed flasher unit?

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
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ok. the stock is a 2 prong flasher. The flash from Honda was a 2 prong electric flasher. worked on only one side with led.
I drove to auto store and tried a few different electric flashers. 2 prong and 3 prong. both did not flash so took them off and put the Honda one back on.
after played around and swapped the led bulb back to original bulb. now when I put the flashers on everything flashes at the same time both sides...

and yes all worked fine prior to the swap to led.

I think I will pull the bulb and be done with it. :waiting1: :waiting1: :evil:

I pulled the bulb and it works fine..

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:59 pm 
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Thanks everyone for your help with this. I know it has been a struggle and confusing at times.

ok to clean things up on what I did to get it to work correctly.
used the 2 prong electric flasher I got from Honda. cut the end off and put two spade connectors on the ends.
connected the red wire of the flasher to the black wire of the bike harness and the dark blue wire of the flasher to the grey wire of the wire harness.

I was getting cross feed in the single indicator light no matter what bulb was in there. I installed the 13-308 show chrome led cross feed kit.
http://www.bigbikeparts.com/templates/p ... upGuid=918

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From this kit I installed a two male barrel connectors 3.8mm on the two wires and a female barrel connector on the other end.( note if you can not find the 3.8mm you use the 4mm ones you have to pinch the barrel down a little bit so the connection is tight.)

I took out the indicator wires out of the front junction box on the bike. I then put the two male barrels from the kit wire back into the light blue and orange 4 gang connectors on the bike. I took the other end of the kit female barrel connector to light blue wire of the indicator light. The orange wire then was connected to the dark green 4 gang connectors on the bike which is the ground.

I put both led and stock bulb in the both worked fine. So I left the LED in. Issue of the cross feed is fixed and is totally reversible if you wanted to go back to stock again.

Here is the install diagram:
http://bigbikeparts.com/catalog/documen ... 13-308.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:09 pm 
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It's really odd that you had this problem. Even when I did my own experiment with LED indicators, it was a non issue.

Is it possible that one of the diodes in the factory set-up was failing? Do you have the equipment to test that? At this point, it's just curiosity.

Bonus points to you, however, for making your modifications completely reversible. ;)

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Duke wrote:
It's really odd that you had this problem. Even when I did my own experiment with LED indicators, it was a non issue.

Is it possible that one of the diodes in the factory set-up was failing? Do you have the equipment to test that? At this point, it's just curiosity.

Bonus points to you, however, for making your modifications completely reversible. ;)


yes it was really odd because I multi electric flasher work and not work with all the testing I was doing. the one from Honda did work so I went back to that setup. no equipment to test factory diodes. :(
yeah reversible is a good thing !!! :clap1: still need to find a license plate led, and hi beam indicator led to make it a complete led light swap...except for the h4 headlight which I could put in one of those Sylvania Ultra 9003 bulbs to really light up the road.... I find those to work well in my truck!

I did also swap out the round sissy bar for a oem hondaline Rebel back rest. It has Rebel embossed on the back!

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
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Duke wrote:
Now don't despair! LED technology is almost affordable now, and that changes everything! :D I say "almost affordable" because most of the LED 'driving lights' you find on the market today are absolute crap, meant to ornamental more than functional. But there are some functional LED driving lights out there.

These, for example:

http://www.alpena.ca/Product.aspx?id=1150

I have a couple of those on the back of the Leviathan that double as back-up lights for the wife (she's night blind). The light from those things is just unbelievable. One of those lights does three amazing things:

1) draws only 16 watts instead of the 55 watts that one of your current auxiliary lights draws.

2) costs seventy bucks.

3) outperforms your actual headlight.

You could, if asymmetry doesn't bother you, get more light from one of those than you will from two of your current lights. You can install two of them and draw only 32 watts and turn the road into an airport runway.

Duke, I meant to post the link earlier, but here are those lights available through Advance Auto for $49.99. Every store around me seems to stock them. I looked at one the other day and they are unbelievably heavy but the light output is impressive.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/pros ... 10710692-P

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 Post subject: Re: replacing the headlight bulb
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Yep;

that looks like the ones that are 70 bucks everywhere else.

Though I noticed that apparently Autozone and a couple others are showing a price drop as well.

Figures; just a couple months after I paid the higher price for the pair on the back of the Leviathan. :lol:

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