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 Post subject: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:29 am 
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While stirring around here looking at bikes I came across a Yamaha V Star 250, 2009 model,
3 k miles and was impressed with the looks, V twin engine, a great looking bike. So at the risk of a thoroughly beat dead horse, whats your opinion of the two bikes? All opinions appreciated, as I may spring for one soon. About $2200.
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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:53 am 
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One thing to consider is the fact that the V-Star comes with a conventional wet cell battery and a standard non o-ring chain.
The Rebel comes with a sealed battery and o-ring chain from the factory. Other than that, it's whichever does it for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:56 am 
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Oops! I forgot. The V-Star recommends valve services every 3,000 miles, while the Reb's is every 4,000.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:40 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:45 am 
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Thanks for the input,
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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:13 pm 
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I found the Virago/V-star 250 to be more accomodating than the Rebel. If the staccato V-twin exhaust note is an important issue, favor leans to the Yamaha. Personally, I'd go with the one that fits and feels better when you're sitting on it...while both bikes have their share of perks and quirks there isn't any advantage of one over the other beyond how it fits you.

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The Rebel comes with a sealed battery and o-ring chain from the factory. Other than that, it's whichever does it for you.


80s Rebels use the wet cell battery as well, and many used Rebels can be found with cheap unsealed chains too. But yeah, from the factory and considering the newer models, that rings true.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:35 pm 
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Nothing at all wrong with the V Star


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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:46 pm 
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If you are taller than 5.7 then the V-Star might be a better fit.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:59 am 
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Yamaha uses a TCI and the Rebel has the CDI.
The Transistor Controlled Ignition on the Yamaha/V-Star is dependent on battery voltage and cannot be bump/push started with a dead battery. It is also susceptible to grounding issues if corrosion sets in.
The Capacitive Discharge Ignition on the Rebel is self exciting, meaning it makes its own electricity independent of the battery/charging/starting system and can be bump/push started if caught with a dead battery.
Diagnostics for ignition problems on the TCI is a bit more complex than the Rebel.
Procedures for tuning are a bit more complex and procedure must be followed exactly.

I don't know if any of that is a factor in your purchase decision, but the Rebel wins for ease of maintenance.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:02 pm 
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Have we considered the availability of third party accessories for each bike?

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:07 am 
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There's third party accessories for 250cc bikes? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Definitely get the one that fits you better. For me at 6' 220 pounds, that means the V-Star, it has a lot more legroom. But, I wanted a Rebel so bad I got one, and modified it to fit. You can easily put a MF battery and an 0-ring chain on the V-Star, I grew up with regular batteries and non 0-ring chains, never thought anything of it.
Valve adjustment intervals are what the manufacturer recommends. IMO, both bikes will easily make it past 10,000 miles without adjusting the valves if you adjust them to the loose side of spec. In fact I have a Yamaha Vino 125 scooter that has actually gone past 10,000 miles without a valve adjustment, and they are still well within spec. It is recommended at every 3,000 miles. IMO, those short recommended valve adjustment intervals is just a dealer ripoff, designed to get you to bring the bike to the dealer 3000 miles, son they can charge you several hundred dollars for service. A real motorcycle enthusiast does all their own service and maintenance, and there is nothing about either one of these bikes service related that your average rider could not learn to do. Just get some tools and a manual.

I have never owned a bike that could not be push started, and that includes bikes with points and coil ignition. The stator should provide enough power to start the engine.

The Rebel is an easier bike to work on and customize, if you are into that kind of thing, But on the other hand, I HAD to do some customizing to mine (moved the pegs 4" forward and modified the seat) before I could even ride it. I won't mention any particular race, but the Rebel was definitely designed for shorter people, or as a beginner bike that would be ridden a few months at most before moving up to something bigger. It simply does not fit a tall person. I have a 34" inseam. If I had a 30" inseam, I would have fit a LOT better on a stock Rebel.

The V-Star is a bit more complicated than the Rebel, which is a model of simplicity. Being a V-Twin, the V-Star has 2 cam chains and 2 cam chain tensioners compared to the Rebel's one. It also has 2 separate cylinders, 2 separate heads, and 2 cams, compared to one of each on the Rebel. But it has been around a long time (it came out about the same time as the Rebel, first known as the Route 66, then the Virago, and now the V-Star. It has remained virtually unchanged during all that time. The biggest problem I see with both bikes is they have tube type tires and no centerstands, meaning you are probably stranded when you have a flat tire out on the road.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:49 pm 
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The Route 66 debuted in 1988, the year after the classic Rebel went out of production.
It uses a digital TCI (Transistor Controlled Ignition) not a Kettering or CDI. The digital TCI is very dependent on battery voltage. Not only can they not be push started, they won't even jump start if the battery in the bike is too low.

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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:08 am 
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Randy Newman wrote:
I won't mention any particular race, but the Rebel was definitely designed for shorter people, or as a beginner bike that would be ridden a few months at most before moving up to something bigger.


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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:03 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Rebel 250 VS Yamaha V Star 250-
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:40 pm 
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Check out my new thread. Seems like I'm not the only one who thinks the Rebel is designed for short people. Or, perhaps that was not even a consideration. Maybe while trying to get the proportions right while copying a much larger bike, that's just what they wound up with.

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